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Motorcyclists, safety advocates disagree on new ‘red light’ law

Law allows cyclists, moped riders to proceed at stop lights

Customers of the Twisted Spoke, many of whom own motorcycles, hang out outside of the bar, which is on Clemson Boulevard in Pendleton. South Carolina recently passed a law allowing those on motorcycles, scooters and bicycles to run red lights after waiting two minutes if the light has not turned green after that amount of time.

Photo by Nathan Gray

Customers of the Twisted Spoke, many of whom own motorcycles, hang out outside of the bar, which is on Clemson Boulevard in Pendleton. South Carolina recently passed a law allowing those on motorcycles, scooters and bicycles to run red lights after waiting two minutes if the light has not turned green after that amount of time.

Ray “Cuz” Painter, left, of Liberty and Shane Rhodes of Anderson wait at Clemson Boulevard and S.C. 28 for the light to turn green before driving back to the Twisted Spoke bar on U.S. 76 in Pendleton. South Carolina recently passed a law allowing those on motorcycles, scooters and bicycles to run red lights after waiting two minutes if the light has not turned green by that point.

Photo by Nathan Gray

Ray “Cuz” Painter, left, of Liberty and Shane Rhodes of Anderson wait at Clemson Boulevard and S.C. 28 for the light to turn green before driving back to the Twisted Spoke bar on U.S. 76 in Pendleton. South Carolina recently passed a law allowing those on motorcycles, scooters and bicycles to run red lights after waiting two minutes if the light has not turned green by that point.

— Billy "Reb" Richardson of Sumter grew tired of having to repeatedly break the law, so he decided to work to have the law changed in his favor.

Richardson, a member of ABATE of South Carolina, a motorcycle rights organization, was the man behind the movement that led to the introduction in the South Carolina Legislature of bill S-0111. The legislation, which has become law, permits drivers of motorcyclists, mopeds and bicycles to drive through red lights after first stopping for a self-monitored two minutes.

Richardson, 63, rides his Harley Davidson a few times a week, he said. Richardson would enjoy every minute of the rides, until the end, when he had the challenge of returning home. Richardson said the traffic light standing between him and his residence was not able to detect his motorcycle.

“I'd come to the main intersection, and the light would never change,” he said. “The only way of getting past this red light would be to run the light and take a chance of getting a four-count infraction on my license, or making a right turn and U-turn to come around the other way—and hope I didn't get caught making an illegal U-turn.”

But not everyone is excited about the new law.

Doug Degambrell of Honea Path, a fuel transport driver, said he thinks it's not safe.

“I disagree with it. I see how it helps them (motorcyclists), but I think it's dangerous,” he said. “Half of them already don't wear their helmets anyway.”

Tom Crosby, vice president of communication for AAA Carolinas, said he thinks it's a bad law.

“I think that it teaches disrespect for red lights,” Crosby said.

“Motorcycles always have the option to turn right, make a U-turn if legal, if the light does not switch. There are devices that can be placed on motorcycles to trip the light.”

Crosby said he thinks people will take advantage of the new law.

“When they're approaching an intersection and the light is red, and they don't see anybody coming, I don't think motorcyclists are going to stop, they're not going to wait two minutes,” he said.

Crosby said that motorcycles, representing about 4 percent of registered vehicles in South Carolina, are involved in about 11 percent of highway fatalities in the state.

According to the South Carolina's Department of Transportation Web site, actuated traffic signals maintain a green signal on the busiest street until a vehicle on the less-traveled side approaches the intersection. The Web site acknowledges that loop detectors easily detect larger vehicles, and do not easily detect the presence of motorcyclists, bicyclists and even motorists in small cars.

South Carolina is the site of 3,600 intersections that are governed by traffic signals, according to Pete Poore, communications director for the South Carolina Department of Transportation. Among those, 1,600, or 44 percent, do not have sensors or have not been adjusted in such a manner that would accommodate a motorcyclist.

Poore said transportation department officials are available to address any particular traffic lights that citizens have issues with. Richardson said the transportation department did its best in assisting him and other motorcyclists with traffic light issues, but it wasn't quite enough.

“They were really good at responding, but the problem we run into is that the lights wouldn't hold,” he said. “Once you report another malfunction, they will set up an appointment with you, they'dhave to come out and fix it again. It's repetitive, and I got tired of repeating the process.”

Tired of being left with no choice but to break the law, Richardson decided to petition South Carolina lawmakers to amend the law so that Richardson, and thousands of other motorcyclists in the state would no longer be held hostage by a perpetually red stoplight.

Richardson's years of lobbying paid off when his idea for legislation came to fruition in the form of S-0111, which Gov. Mark Sanford signed into law on May 28.

“The intent of the law is to give the motorcyclists the ability to go through any intersection that the law permits, as long as he or she waits two minutes, and if there's no traffic coming, the motorcyclist can move on,” Poore said.

Paul Porter, a motorcyclist from Anderson, felt that motorcyclists, if anyone, should be the ones to be able to pass through a red light — after traffic has cleared, that is.

“Motorcyclists are more aware than everyone else on the road that has ever driven,” he said. “You got nothing to distract you besides what's in front of you.”

Assistant ABATE of South Carolina Coordinator Jeff Coleman felt the new law was only fair.

“This has given us the legal, lawful access to the highway systems that our fuel tax dollars are paying for,” he said.

Lance Cpl. Kathy Hiles of the South Carolina Highway Patrol said that of 99 motorcycle-related deaths in the past year statewide, 37 occurred in the Upstate. She acknowledged several concerns with the new law.

“Of course, we already have the concern because of the increased motorcycles on the road now. It does also raise a concern as to making sure that all motorcycle operators as well as mopeds and bicycles understand that they do still have to stop. This does not automatically give them right of way to go through the light,” Hiles said. “And, the other traffic does not have to yield to them.”

Besides carefully obeying highway laws to maintain safety on the roads, Hiles suggested the South Carolina Rider Education Program for motorcyclists, which is available at 11 technical colleges across the state. According to its Web site, the program's cost ranges from $65 to $225, depending on experience level. For more information, visit http://www.scridered.org/generalInfo/index.htm

A new bill signed by Gov. Mark Sanford permits drivers of motorcyclists, mopeds and bicycles to drive through red lights after a self-monitored amount of time.

There appears to be good reason, though, according to Jeff Coleman, assistant coordinator of ABATE of South Carolina, a motorcycle rights organization. But for others, this new bill raises concern.

“What it is, the majority of the red lights, in most areas, are triggered by a magnetic loop embedded in the asphalt that detect metal mass,” he said. “Motorcycles and small vehicles without substantial metal mass will not trigger the sensor, and if I’m coming up to the light to make a left turn, I’m sitting there forever, and the light will not change unless another car comes up behind me to trigger it.”

There are 3,600 sd traffic intersections in the state, according to Pete Poore, communications director for the South Carolina Department of Transportation. Among those, 1,600, or 44 percent, do not have sensors or have not been adjusted in such a manner that would accommodate a motorcyclist.

The idea for the bill originated in 2004 when a member of ABATE of South Carolina was fed up with having to “break the law,” Coleman said.

Coleman said Richardson spent two to three days a week in Columbia, distributing informational pamphlets and explaining the situation to anyone who would listen. It was those constant lobbying efforts that, over the course of four years, pushed the bill through, Coleman said.

On May 27,2008, senate bill S. 011 officially was signed into law. It states that “if a driver of a motorcycle or moped, or a bicycle rider, approached an intersection that is controlled by a traffic-control device, the driver may proceed through the intersection on a steady red light only if the driver or rider as the case may be (a) comes to a full and complete stop at the intersection for 120 seconds; and (b) exercises due care as provided by law, otherwise treats the traffic control device as a stop sign, and determines it is safe to proceed.”

“The intent of the law is to give the motorcyclists the ability to go through any intersection that the law permits, as long as he or she waits two minutes, and if there’s no traffic coming, the motorcyclist can move on,” Poore said.

Paul Porter, a motorcyclist from Anderson, felt that motorcyclists, if anyone, should be the ones to be able to pass through a red light--after traffic has cleared, that is.

“Motorcyclists are more aware than everyone else on the road that has ever driven,” he said. “You got nothing to distract you besides what’s in front of you.”

Despite a sense of relief for motorcyclists, the new law does cause concern for others.

Tom Crosby, vice president of communication for AAA Carolinas, said he thinks it’s a bad law.

“I think that it teaches disrespect for red lights. Motorcycles always have the option to turn right, make a U-turn if legal, if the light does not switch. There are devices that can be placed on motorcycles to trip the light.”

Crosby said he thinks people will take advantage of the new law.

“When they’re approaching an intersection and the light is red, and they don’t see anybody coming, I don’t think motorcyclists are going to stop, they’re not going to wait two minutes,” he said.

Crosby said that motorcycles, representing about 4 percent of registered vehicles in South Carolina, are involved in about 11 percent of highway fatalities.

Lance Cpl. Kathy Hiles of the South Carolina Highway Patrol said that of 99 motorcycle-related deaths in the past year statewide, 37 occurred in the Upstate. She acknowledged several concerns with the new law.

“Of course, we already have the concern because of the increased motorcycles on the road now. It does also raise a concern as to making sure that all motorcycle operators as well as mopeds and bicycles understand that they do still have to stop. This does not automatically give them right of way to go through the light,” Hiles said. “And, the other traffic doesn’t not have to yield to them. “

Besides carefully obeying highway laws to maintain safety on the roads, Hiles suggested the South Carolina Rider Education Program for motorcyclists, available at eleven technical colleges across the state. According to its Web site, the program provides motorcycle training for those who have never ridden a motorcycle and would like to gain experience, advanced riders who would like to sharpen their skills, and riders of all skill levels in between. Costs range from $65 to $225, depending on experience level. For more information, visit http://www.scridered.org/generalInfo/index.htm

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i dont have anything against motorcyclists ,but how can it be proven that the drivers waited for 2 minutes.and whats going to happen when an accident happens resulting in death or serious injury. looks like an open invitation for a lawsuit.i'm anxious to hear more comments about this.


In California, It is legal for them to drive between cars during traffic jams. I don't recall seeing a lot of lawsuits resulting from this, so why should it here. People that Ride motorcycles, already have to watch out for the 4 wheel concrete idiots that don't have respect for them. So I see this as a win win situation. I don't see anyone on a bike pulling out in front of a car, I see it the other way around. The cars pulling out in front of them. And for your information, even though it's no of your business, No I don't have or ride a bike!


in response to 2much4U

riding between cars in traffic jams are not the same as running red lights.i've seen it both ways myself , with deadly results. what i'm saying is how can the 2 minute waiting period be monitored.i have no problem with riders,been there,done that, but there's still going to be the ones who will take advantage of the situation.


I ride a bike and I think it's an unsafe law. People will take advantage and not wait two minutes, thus causing more accidents.
Just a little common sense, if you're at a busy traffic intersection which is controlled by one of these devices don't you think a larger vehicle would be beside or behind you at almost any given time 24/7 ?


Excellent. It's about time this law was changed. The devices mentioned in the article that are supposed to trip the lights do not work. There are good motorcycle drivers and bad ones, just like automobile drivers. And, this law change won't create a mass exodus to the dark side, by all the good motorcycle drivers. Motorcycle drivers know they are at a disadvantage if involved in an accident. So, unless they have a death wish, will not abuse this change. As a contrast, how many car/truck drivers never break the law (speeding, tail gating, illegal lane changes, running red lights, etc.)?


in response to freebird22

I have been riding bikes since 1967, and have sat at lights that won't change. Sitting on an air-cooled engine in 94 degree temperatures is bad for me and my bike. To think bikers are too stupid to look both ways before proceeding through an intersection is ridiculous. What is the difference between stopping at a red light, looking both ways, then proceeding, than stopping at a stop sign and doing the same thing. The two minute waitng period is arbitrary and I think nit picking over whether the rider sat there for 1 min and 57 seconds is as sensless an argument as the one against the new red light law. As you pointed out, at busy intersections , it is likely a larger vehicle will come along and set off the signal for you. But if it doesn't, should you pack a lunch and wait? The only motorcycle accident I have had (1967) was when a car turned left in front of me and I hit it in the right front fender and flew over the hood. Motorcyclists are more aware of other vehicles than automobiles are of the motorcyclist. I am a North West Chapter ABATE member and greatful that "Common Sense" has prevailed in this legislation.


Since moving to Anderson 5 years ago, I have had two people run a stop sign and a traffic light and total each of my cars. I'm not sure I would even attempt to ride a motorcycle in this town. It seems like the two minute "rule" should have just been a suggestion rather than an actual law. It can't be monitored, so how could it be enforced?


Stupid new law that will raise Motorcycle Fatalaties on our Highways. Will be abused by Motorcyclist and when you have an accident with them running through a red light, you will probably be the one getting a ticket. That Idiot whom sponsored that bill needs to work on passing bills that benefit the people of SC and not ones that will benefit him on his bike and cause many more traffic accidents and fatalaties on our roads.


First motorcyclists were ALOWED to not wear safety equipment, helmets, while four wheeled vehicle drivers are REQUIRED to wear seatbelts. Now they are ALLOWED to "run" red lights after waiting an arbitrary amount of time that CANNOT be monitored. How about they just create an entirely arbitrary system that governs the laws for motorcycles and make them immune to all of the laws that apply to cars and trucks! That makes as much sense as no helmet and “running” red lights laws. Those that support and take advantage of the two previous laws, or lack of, are excellent Darwin Award Candidates!


I'm glad this law was signed by Governor Sanford.There have been many times in recent weeks that I have sat @ traffic lights for more than 8 mins & the light never went to green.For those that think this law is stupid.I encourage you to ride a bicycle up to a traffic light & wait for the light to change to green.There's no difference between stopping @ a stop sign ,than the new traffic light law.SC law requires all forms of transportation to come to a complete stop for 5 seconds @ a stop sign.How many people really stop for the full 5 seconds(unless there's another automobile @ the intersection)? How can that be monitored ? For those of you that don't like the new law. Start riding a motorcycle,moped, or bicycle. You too can "take advantage" of this new law & save ALOT of money on fuel.Most motocyclist are safe riders.But, there's a few bad apples in the cart,just as people that drive automobiles.


As a rider, my take on this new law is that if the motorcyclist decides to run the red light after waiting the full 2 min (whatever), they are doing this at their own risk; taking full ownership of their action. This means that if they pull out in front of someone and wreck, they are at fault.

I also choose to wear a helmet and other riding gear. You won't see me riding in shorts. My safety is my number one priority.


in response to freelance_observer

And my 10-month old daughter's safety is my #1 priority. I don't have anything against bikers and their frustration with having to wait.

But, other than the decision to secede, that's just about the dumbest piece of legislation the morons down in Columbia have ever passed.


Did this article repeat itself for some reason? Or am I seeing double today? This law really benefits cars also, now you don't have to sit behind a motorcycle waiting for the light to change. I'm sure common sense will prevail here and the cyclist won't pull out if there's cars coming...DUH! (unless of course you're tried living)The 37 deaths of motorcyclist this year....were they caused by cars pulling out in front of them? Cpl Hiles didn't say. My guess is they were....cars just don't see us.


oops, (tired of living)you know, ready to commit suicide)


If you think about it, it isn't that much different than seeing the traffic lights sometime having only a blinking yellow or red light. You slow down, look both ways, and proceed with caution. Or in the case of the blinking red, you stop and then proceed with caution.


Why is it that everytime they do a story on motorcyclist this newspaper goes to the Twisted Spoke? Not all motorcyclist hang out at beer joints.


It's about time SC passed this law. A similar law was passed in NC. It, too, was debated by armchair non-motorcycle riding experts.

What do most 4-wheeled (or more) vehicles do, when after sitting at a traffic light for 2+ mins, the light fails to turn green? My guess is that most of you (drivers of 4-wheeled vehicles) presume the light is not correctly operating and proceed (left or straight) through the intersection on your intended path.

If the above is the case, then this law enables a motorcycle (and other 2-wheeled vehicles) to turn left after 2 mins AND IT IS SAFE.

Suppose there are _several_ bicyclists at a traffic light and you, in a 4-wheeled vehicle, are behind them. Without this law, you would be legally stuck behind the bicyclists until the cyclists turned left (or right) and moved out of the way so your heavy 4-wheeled vehicle could trip the light.

Yes, I ride a motorcycle - a 98 Honda 98 VTR1000 sportbike. I've been riding for 15 yrs, have taken 5 courses through the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (2 beginner, 3 advanced), as well as a race class in savannah (Roebling Rd). I am a 45 years old and a mother of twin 8 year old girls. I commend Richardson, ABATE members, and members of the SC Legislature for their work in passing this law.


in response to redrider2k5

Good Comment...


+1 for xyzzy!!

Abuse this law? What are we gonna sit at a light and wait for a school bus to pull out in front of?

Motorcycles are everywhere. Even more so than ever with the price of fuel. There are also a lot of inexperienced riders out there. I've seen some that can't make a right turn and stay in their lane.

L(*) (*)k out for the bikers.


in response to ragweed30

Please tell me the difference between 10 seconds and 4 minutes.
After a complete stop, is it safe to continue.
If traffic allows, you wait and wait until it is safe to continue. Could be ten minutes.
You appear to be so wrapped up in how law enforcement will monitor the two minute
wait. I'll tell you. The same as they monitor other traffic violaters.




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